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3 years 5 months ago #39 by barry_elsom
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The recent committee meeting highlighted the fact that HMRC, consider that the current scheme counts as an extension to an existing building, and as such would be liable to VAT of £120k. The committee stated that they were considering re-working the plans to build a new hall that would be VAT exempt. Does this mean demolishing the entire structure, and building the new hall on a brownfield site. If this is even a remote possibility, then it would be premature to spend any money upgrading the bar, until such time as the plans are finalised.
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3 years 3 months ago #45 by chris_jones
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Barry

Apologies for not responding earlier.

It seems as the only way that the proposed building could be classed as zero-rated for VAT is if we retain all of the existing structure (including the building that is almost time-expired). This would mean applying for planning consent, which is considered to be unlikely to succeed.

Or we could register the village hall for VAT, despite the VAT-able income being significantly below the VAT threshold, which would mean non-VAT hirers being charged 20% more. We would be obliged in this case to remain VAT-registered for perhaps as long as twenty years or more to avoid HMRC reclaiming the VAT not charged.
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3 years 2 months ago #47 by stephen_thackray
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Hello Barry
With regard to the re-furb of the bar and your recent email relating to this I don't recall
Any mention of the need or desire to knock down the wall betwixt Garden Room and the existing 'bar' room.

The re-furb of the bar is more to do with repainting it, more conducive lighting and a better layout than the current arrangement. We might get a replacement bar section from the racecourse but this is not yet a done deal.

It'll be a good 2 years before we are all sipping gin-slings in the new building if it happens i.e. Too long to put up with sub-standard surroundings in the meantime.
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3 years 2 months ago #49 by barry_elsom
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Stephen. Thank you for your comment. I noted that you had an expert look at the hall, with regard to refurbishment of the bar, and he referred to the fact that the bar was situated in the smallest public room in the hall. The current location, is best suited with access to the kitchen, but the room is too small. The suggestion to knock down the wall between the garden room and the current bar, was made in consideration of enlarging the bar area. I am not sure whether the damp in that wall has been solved but the leaking roof made the wall very damp, but I was looking at it the other day, and it seemed to be O.K. The suggestion was made in my argument for clearing the whole site and starting from a brownfield site, for if the structures were maintained and the new hall was part of an 'extension'. retaining the basic current floor plan, then it would be useful to make the bar area bigger. Considering that this wall went and the one between the main hall and the garden room also fell down when the main hall and roof were removed, then the argument for clearing everything of the current building and starting fresh makes sense, but it seemed pointless spending a lot of money refurbishing the bar, until we have a firm conclusion from the BLF. I do however appreciate that the Drop Inns are important and if the committee feels that refurbishing the bar in the interim would be a good idea then so be it!

The above comments are added as part of a discussion on the Forum, which is the whole purpose of it, and to encourage interaction, and submission of views and opinions from a wider audience other than, CF, ST, and BE.
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3 years 2 months ago #57 by Ray
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Hi, this is Janine, you all make valid points....all I can add is.....
1. the questionnaire process, personal networking, public meetings, this forum (and I'm sure there are more) are vehicles to gather data/ information/needs/wants from the wider audience across the 5 villages.
2. the trustees/management committee members are the elected custodians of the VH and in the period of their office undertake to try and fulfill their responsibility. Elections are coming up in November providing individuals an opportunity to join the trustee board and then act in accordance with the data received.
3. the bar is having a 'spruce-up'/'refurbishment', lots of ideas were aired by the Social committee (possibly even the questionnaires / public meeting) to enable us to drill down to the critical things that need doing - being mindful of all the other objectives we have such as the BLF etc. This will probably end up being; paint the bar, sort out better drink cold storage, new glasses, more practical chairs....until we manage to purchase a second-hand bar that meets our needs.

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3 years 2 months ago #58 by chris_jones
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Barry,
The proposal to flatten the whole site and rebuild on that site would not constitute an "addition" for VAT purposes. It would be a "replacement" or "extension" which would both attract VAT of 20%. In addition, the existing facilities (not part of the proposed additional building) would be unavailable during construction. This would result in potential total loss of future revenues from existing users who would be forced to go elsewhere. This strategy was deemed to be unacceptable in early stages of this project.

You also suggest that the Garden Room might collapse when the existing main hall is demolished, does not stand up. The plans will involve the Garden Room wall and roof being supported, if necessary, while the "corridor" is constructed beween the new hall and the original entrance hall.
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